Daryl then discusses Steve Evetts wanting to take the band to next level and get that live feel on record. He speaks on writing most of the record prior to the studio, but tells a story of writing the classic 'Zombie Prescription' in the studio. The guys also talk influences, lyrical content and the concept of the album, the snare drum sound, Victory Records, The Pee Wee sample and touring the album.

Daryl details meeting and touring with Deftones at the time and the pros and cons of The Warped Tour. The guys finish up with the different 25th Anniversary bundles for the record, the Optic book and the upcoming Buffalo show.